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14 September , 2009, 03:28:17 pm
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Dictionary?
« on: 14 September , 2009, 03:28:17 pm »
Hello,

Is there a dictionary or collection of Coptic phrases and idioms for everyday use somewhere? And/or a collection of Coptic words for modern things like car, computer etc.

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14 September , 2009, 08:51:50 pm
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Re: Dictionary?
« Reply #1 on: 14 September , 2009, 08:51:50 pm »
ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ Hi
ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ Bye
Ⲛⲁⲛⲉ ⲧⲟⲩⲟⲓ/ⲣⲟⲩϩⲓ Good Morning/evening
ⲁϣ ⲡⲉ ⲡⲉⲕⲣⲏϯ how are you?
tell me what more do u want
ⲃⲉⲣⲉϭⲱⲟⲩⲧⲥ f. Chariot.; modern car
as for computer ⲱⲡ means to calculate ⲣⲉϥⲱⲡ would mean calculator
I don't know the difference betweeb calculating and computing so I can't tell if its correct or not

15 September , 2009, 03:32:15 am
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Re: Dictionary?
« Reply #2 on: 15 September , 2009, 03:32:15 am »
Ⲙⲓⲟⲕ ˋⲉⲙⲁϣⲱ Ⲁⲇⲙⲓⲛ

Sorry to flood you with questions, please take your time, but there's a lot of things I still can't work out how to say:

1. the verb 'to have to'/must (e.g. you have to clean your room, I must go etc.)
2. I'm sorry
3. should (I should go now)
4. Comparisons where something is better than something else, i.e. this cup is bigger than that one
5. How to say that something is the biggEST, as opposed to just bigger.
6. And lastly the verb 'to drive a car'

Thankyou so much for your help

Ⲙⲁⲣⲉ ˋⲪϯ ˋⲥⲙⲟⲩ ˋⲉⲣⲟⲕ

15 September , 2009, 04:13:24 pm
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Re: Dictionary?
« Reply #3 on: 15 September , 2009, 04:13:24 pm »
Ⲙⲓⲟⲕ ˋⲉⲙⲁϣⲱ Ⲁⲇⲙⲓⲛ

Sorry to flood you with questions, please take your time, but there's a lot of things I still can't work out how to say:
No problem, I am here to help

1. the verb 'to have to'/must (e.g. you have to clean your room, I must go etc.)
ˋⲥϣⲉ or ⲙⲁⲣⲉⲕ "you should"
ˋⲥϣⲉ ˋⲛⲧⲉⲕ ⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛⲉⲙⲁϥ "you should talk with him"
ⲙⲁⲣⲉⲕ ⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛⲉⲙⲁϥ "talk to him" (that way u r asking him instead of giving an order)
ϩⲱϯ ⲉⲣⲟⲕ ˋⲛⲧⲉⲕⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛⲉⲙⲁϥ" You must talk to him"

2. I'm sorry
ϯⲟⲩⲉⲙ ϩⲑⲏⲓ I eat my heart (I am sorry)
ⲁϥⲟⲩⲉⲙ ϩⲑⲏϥ he ate his heart (he regretted, became sorry)


3. should (I should go now)
ˋⲥϣⲉ ˋⲛⲧⲁϣⲉⲛⲏⲓ ϯⲛⲟⲩ

4. Comparisons where something is better than something else, i.e. this cup is bigger than that one
comparisons doesn't exist in coptic, instead u need to use one of this methods
ⲡⲁⲓⲁⲫⲟⲧ ⲉϥⲟⲓ ˋⲛⲛⲓϣϯ ⲉϩⲟⲧⲉ ⲡⲥⲉⲡⲓ this cup is greater (bigger) than the reset
ⲡⲁⲓⲁⲫⲟⲧ ⲉϥⲟⲓ ˋⲛⲛⲓϣϯ ⲉⲡⲥⲉⲡⲓ (same as above)
ⲡⲁⲓⲁⲫⲟⲧ ⲡⲉ ⲡⲓⲛⲓϣϯ This cup is the greatest
ⲡⲁⲓⲁⲫⲟⲧ ⲡⲉ ⲡⲟⲩⲛⲓϣϯ This cup is their greatest (greatest one of them)
there is also ϩⲟⲩⲟ ⲉ which means more than
ⲙⲙⲟⲛ ϩⲟⲩⲟ ⲉⲧⲓⲟⲩ ˋⲛⲱⲓⲕ ˋⲛⲧⲟⲧⲉⲛ (no more than 5 bread we have) [we have no more than 5 breads)
ⲁϥⲉⲛ ϩⲟⲩⲟ ⲟⲩⲧⲁϩ ⲉⲃⲟⲗ he(it) brought more fruits
ⲥⲉⲛⲁϭⲓ ˋⲛϩⲟⲩⲟ they will take more
`ⲛⲑⲱⲟⲩ ⲇⲉ `ⲛϩⲟⲩⲟ ⲛⲁⲩⲱϣ ⲉⲃⲟⲗ ⲉⲩϫⲱ `ⲙⲙⲟⲥ ϫⲉ ⲁϣϥ. (they but more they were crying saying crucify him) [but they were crying more saying crucify him]
5. How to say that something is the biggEST, as opposed to just bigger.
See answer of previous question

6. And lastly the verb 'to drive a car'
Don't know this one, will check it
Ⲙⲁⲣⲉ ˋⲪϯ ˋⲥⲙⲟⲩ ˋⲉⲣⲟⲕ
ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲙⲁⲣⲉϥ ⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲣⲟⲕ ⲟⲛ

15 September , 2009, 04:38:28 pm
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Re: Dictionary?
« Reply #4 on: 15 September , 2009, 04:38:28 pm »
ϯϣⲉⲡˋϩⲙⲟⲧ ˋⲛⲧⲟⲧⲕ Ⲁⲇⲙⲓⲛ ⲁⲕϣⲱⲡ ˋⲛⲟⲩⲛⲓϣϯ ˋⲛⲃⲟⲏⲑⲓⲁ ˋⲛⲧⲏⲓ

ϯⲙⲉⲩⲓ ˋⲥϣⲉ ˋⲛⲧⲉⲛⲑⲁⲙⲓⲟ ˋⲛⲟⲩⲗⲁⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲉϥⲱⲗⲓ ˋⲛⲛⲁⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲧⲏⲣⲟⲩ ϩⲱⲥ ⲟⲩⲣⲉϥϯⲕⲁϯ ⲉⲑⲃⲉ ⲡⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ  ˋⲛϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ˋⲛⲣⲉⲙˋⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ.
(I think we should create a dictionary/guide of all these sayings as a sort of guide to spoken Coptic.) One of the biggest obstacles in the way of Coptic becoming a spoken language is the lack of resources out there.

Btw I was looking through a dictionary and I found the verb ϩⲉⲙⲓ which means 'to guide/steer'. I think that would work well for driving a car.

ⲙⲓⲟⲕ ˋⲛⲕⲉⲥⲟⲡ Ⲁⲇⲙⲓⲛ