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24 April , 2018, 08:01:20 PM
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Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course, by Andrew Earthrise
« on: 24 April , 2018, 08:01:20 PM »
I have created a course that allows you to learn hieroglyphs
(ϯμετνουϯ 𓏏𓄿 𓌃𓏏𓀁 𓊹𓁚)
while also learning the Coptic language. I hope you enjoy it.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Aearthrise/Hieroglyphics/Egyptian_Course
« Last Edit: 01 May , 2018, 10:48:40 AM by Canis Majoris »
𓇋𓏌𓎡𓂀Ανοκ 𓅯𓄿𓏭πε 𓉐𓉻𓁈πουρο 𓈖ν 𓆎𓅓𓏏𓊖Χημι

24 April , 2018, 10:58:22 PM
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Re: Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course
« Reply #1 on: 24 April , 2018, 10:58:22 PM »
Hey!
Thank you for these good lessons.
I am still not so good at hieroglyphs so this a really good way to learn for me.

Questions:

* Are these hieroglyphs text authentic (i.e found them in some dictionary) or you made them up or mix?
I suppose that at least hieroglyphs for greek words are not authentic?

* I've learned before that the arm symbol correspond to the Arabic letter Ain ع
Did I mix up symbols or you say it's pronounced e for simplification?

* Not really a question but some the hieroglyph letters used in some words didn't have their pronunciation explained in the first section.

Overall, I think it's a really good idea. If hieroglyphs used in these lessons is authentic then I think these lessons are highly valuable and looking forward to see more

24 April , 2018, 11:51:48 PM
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Re: Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course
« Reply #2 on: 24 April , 2018, 11:51:48 PM »
Hey!
Thank you for these good lessons.
I am still not so good at hieroglyphs so this a really good way to learn for me.

Questions:

* Are these hieroglyphs text authentic (i.e found them in some dictionary) or you made them up or mix?
I suppose that at least hieroglyphs for greek words are not authentic?

* I've learned before that the arm symbol correspond to the Arabic letter Ain ع
Did I mix up symbols or you say it's pronounced e for simplification?

* Not really a question but some the hieroglyph letters used in some words didn't have their pronunciation explained in the first section.

Overall, I think it's a really good idea. If hieroglyphs used in these lessons is authentic then I think these lessons are highly valuable and looking forward to see more

The course will help Egyptians learn about their cultural heritage and spread the language of Egypt. Hieroglyphs are the most beautiful creation of the Egyptians, and  for that reason the project's goals are to show artistic beauty and  accuracy. The majority of the hieroglyphs for Egyptian words are authentic and taken from Classical Egyptian.

The Greek words were transliterated similar to how the Ptolemies wrote foreign words- they would use the hieroglyphs as vowels.

If you'd like to read more, I transliterated the first page of the book of Johannes in the bible. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Aearthrise/Hieroglyphics/Johannes_1
« Last Edit: 25 April , 2018, 12:00:18 AM by Canis Majoris »
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25 April , 2018, 12:04:10 AM
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Re: Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course
« Reply #3 on: 25 April , 2018, 12:04:10 AM »
first page of the book of Johannes looks impressive, of course I have very limited Hieroglyphs knowledge to judge it's quality. I am waiting for other members in the community to comment on that.

I'd personally appreciate if you differentiate between Hieroglyphs taken from authentic sources vs the ones that were not. (For example written in different color or followed by special character like (*)

Also how about my other questions?  ;D

25 April , 2018, 12:24:44 AM
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Re: Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course
« Reply #4 on: 25 April , 2018, 12:24:44 AM »
* I've learned before that the arm symbol correspond to the Arabic letter Ain ع
Did I mix up symbols or you say it's pronounced e for simplification?
The symbol does correspond to the consonant Ain, but only in Classical Egyptian. All symbols in Hieroglyphs were consonants/semi-consonants, but some of them disappeared from spoken language. Ρη(sun), 𓂋𓂝𓇳 would be pronounced 'rع' in Classical Egyptian, but in Coptic Egyptian it became 're'.
* Not really a question but some the hieroglyph letters used in some words didn't have their pronunciation explained in the first section.
There are many different consonant glyphs in Egyptian, so I started with Ptolemaic vowels and the most common consonants. I expect to make a whole portion dedicated to all the consonants in the future.

first page of the book of Johannes looks impressive, of course I have very limited Hieroglyphs knowledge to judge it's quality. I am waiting for other members in the community to comment on that.
Thank you for the compliment!
« Last Edit: 25 April , 2018, 01:09:53 AM by Canis Majoris »
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25 April , 2018, 12:49:05 AM
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Re: Hieroglyphics/Coptic Course
« Reply #5 on: 25 April , 2018, 12:49:05 AM »
And thank you for the lessons, looking forward for more

27 April , 2018, 05:44:22 PM
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Beginners' Hieroglyphs Α-Ϥ, by Andrew Earthrise
« Reply #6 on: 27 April , 2018, 05:44:22 PM »
Ιc! Ουcβω ν'βερι!

Welcome to the Hieroglyphic Alphabet Primer; the purpose of this page is to teach you the most elementary hieroglyphs.

I'll update this on my wikipedia page and here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Aearthrise/Hieroglyphics/Egyptian_Primer

The History of Hieroglyphs:
Hieroglyphs come from before the Old Kingdom period (circa 3000 B.C.) of Egypt, existing for more than 5000 years. Most recorded hieroglyphs come from Classical Egyptian, i.e. the dialect of Egyptian used during the Middle Kingdom (circa 2000 B.C.).
The Late Kingdom(circa 1000 B.C.) used hieroglyphs as well, but scribes wrote in a different dialect to Classical Egyptian. A cursive form of hieroglyphs from the Late Kingdom appeared called Demotic script, which mirrored the pronunciation of Late Egyptian hieroglyphs. Coptic is like Late kingdom Egyptian in that it is a more analytical dialect of Egyptian, that it uses articles, and that it has a similar syntax and grammar.

Pronunciation of Hieroglyphs:
Hieroglyphs at their inception were consonants/semi-consonants; Old and Middle Kingdom pronunciation of Egyptian continued the same consonant use. However, Late Egyptian pronunciation changed as Egypt and many of its Semitic neighbors such as Assyria(Syria),Canaan/Phoenicia(Palestine/Lebanon), and Babylon(Iraq) became conquered by Persia, being influenced by the Persian language, and later by Alexander the Great, spreading Greek to the former Persian Empire. The Greek Empire in Egypt became the Ptolemaic Empire, and Greek rulers wrote Greek words using former consonants as vowels.

About Writing Hieroglyphs:
  • All hieroglyphs had color, and many are elaborately detailed to compliment stelae or paintings of beautiful story scenes. *hint (most body parts were red)
  • Hieroglyphs use determinatives, e.g. 𓀀(man), which allow for clarification of word meaning; many words sounded alike.
  • Some hieroglyphs have one consonant sound, such as 𓄿'ع', many have two consonant sounds like 𓉐 'pr', and a few have three, such as 𓋹 'ankh' ωνϧ.

1.
𓄿
The Egyptian Vulture
Color: Multi-colored, the wings could be blue, green or grey

Classical:
ع, Ain, a glottal stop

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Αα, Alpha

2.
𓇋
The Papyrus Reed
Color: Green

Classical:
iy'

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ιι *Εε* *Αα* Iota *sometimes it represented Α and Ε*

3.
𓇋𓇋
Two Papyrus Reeds
Color: Green

Classical:
Yi

Ptolemaic/Roman:
*Ⲏⲓ*, *Ⲓⲏ*, *Ⲉⲓ* *Sometimes, Not always*

4.
𓂝
An Arm
Color: Red

Classical:
' a closure of the throat

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ηη Eta

5.
𓅱, 𓏲
The Baby Chick/ Abbreviated Chick Spiral
Color: Yellow

Classical:
Uw, W

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Υυ, Ουου Upsilon

6.
𓃀
A foot
Color: Red

Classical:
B

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ββ, Beta

7.
𓊪
A floor mat
Color: Green

Classical:
P

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ππ Φφ, Pi Ṗi(Phi)

8.
𓆑
The Viper with Horns
Color: Yellow

Classical:
F

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϥϥ, Fai

To remember the hieroglyphs, I recommend drawing them. You will become a better artist and better acquainted with the system.

Watch for more lessons, and I appreciate any feedback, questions, and opinions. Thank you!

« Last Edit: 01 May , 2018, 08:01:26 AM by Canis Majoris »
𓇋𓏌𓎡𓂀Ανοκ 𓅯𓄿𓏭πε 𓉐𓉻𓁈πουρο 𓈖ν 𓆎𓅓𓏏𓊖Χημι

28 April , 2018, 03:05:16 AM
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Re: Beginners' Hieroglyphs, by Andrew Earthrise part 1
« Reply #7 on: 28 April , 2018, 03:05:16 AM »
Ϯϣⲉⲡϩ̀ⲙⲟⲧ ⲛ̀ⲧⲟⲧⲕ ⲉⲙⲁϣⲱ, ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ⲟⲩⲙⲏϣ ⲛ̀ⲉⲛⲭⲁⲓ ϩⲓⲧⲟⲧⲕ
Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲡ̀ϭⲥ
Ⲁⲣⲓϩ̀ⲙⲟⲧ ϣ̀ⲗⲏⲗ ⲉϩⲣⲏⲓ ⲉϫⲱⲛ

01 May , 2018, 06:41:29 AM
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Beginners' Hieroglyphs Μ-C, by Andrew Earthrise
« Reply #8 on: 01 May , 2018, 06:41:29 AM »
Hello everyone, I've done it again.

This lesson will teach you another bunch of Hieroglyphic letters from the guide that I have made here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Aearthrise/Hieroglyphics/Egyptian_Primer

This site has the advantage of coloring the hieroglyphs, for which I am very happy and thankful.

9.
𓅓
The Owl

Color: Yellow

Classical:
M

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Μμ, Mu

10.
𓈖
Wave of Water

Color: Blue

Classical:
N

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Νν, Nu

11.
𓂋
A Mouth

Color: Red

Classical:
R

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ρρ, Ro

12.
𓉔/𓉔
Shelter made of Reeds

Color: Black/Blue

Classical:
H

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϩϩ, Hori

13.
𓎛
A Twisted Reed

Color: Green

Classical:
H with more emphasis

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϩϩ, Hori

14.
𓐍
*Possibly a Human Placenta

Color: Green

Classical:
Kh

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϧϧ, Khai

15.
𓄡
An Animal Body with Tail

Color: Various Colors including Yellow, Black, and Red

Classical:
Kh but farther back in the throat

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϧϧ, Khai

16.
𓊃
A Door Bolt

Color: Red

Classical:
Originally Z, later S

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲥⲥ, Sigma
« Last Edit: 01 May , 2018, 06:43:02 AM by Canis Majoris »
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04 May , 2018, 05:48:45 AM
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Beginners' Hieroglyphs C-Λ, by Andrew Earthrise
« Reply #9 on: 04 May , 2018, 05:48:45 AM »
The last part of the hieroglyph basics, mirrored here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/User:Aearthrise/Hieroglyphics/Egyptian_Primer.

I hope you enjoy it; there are many more signs that I can add, so we'll see how the project progresses!

17.
𓋴
Folded Cloth

Color: Red

Classical:
S

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲥⲥ, Sigma

18.
𓈙/𓈙
Pool of Water

Color: Blue/Black

Classical:
Š(Sh)

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϣϣ, Shai


19.
𓈎/𓈎
Slope of a hill

Color: Blue/Black

Classical:
Q', a K made from the throat

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲕⲕ Ⲭⲭ, Ka, Ḳi(Chi)

20.
𓎡
A basket made of reeds

Color: Green

Classical:
K

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲕⲕ Ⲭⲭ, Ka, Ḳi(Chi)


21.
𓎼
Shelf to place jars

Color: Red

Classical:
G

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Γγ, Gamma

22.
𓏏/𓏏
Bread

Color: Blue/Black

Classical:
T

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ττ Θθ, Tau Ṫeta(Theta)

23.
𓍿
Rope tethers

Color: Green

Classical:
Ty'

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϯϯ, ti

24.
𓂧
A hand

Color: Red

Classical:
D

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲇⲇ, Delta

25.
𓆓
The Egyptian Cobra

Color: Yellow

Classical:
Dj

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ϫϫ, Djandja

26.
𓍯
The Lasso

Color: Red

Classical:
Wa

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Ⲟⲟ Ⲱⲱ, Omicron Omega

27.
𓃭
The Lion

Color: Yellow

Classical:
n/a(Classical Egyptian didn't have the L sound, only R)

Ptolemaic/Roman:
Λλ, Lambda
« Last Edit: 04 May , 2018, 05:52:37 AM by Canis Majoris »
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