Meaning of Arabic Proverbs/Sayings

[Coptic Advocate]

ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ ⲛⲁ̀ϣⲫⲏⲣ
I have a bit of a translation problem for you guys...
I thought it would be nice to know what some common Arabic phrases translate to in Coptic, because there were probably some that came from Coptic in the first place.
So here's my question:
How would you translate خللي اللي يقول يقول?
Something like ⲙⲁⲣⲉϥⲥⲁϫⲓ ̀ⲛϫⲉ ⲫⲏⲉⲧⲥⲁϫⲓ

Also people can use this topic to ask about other sayings if they want, I'll probably come back here to ask some more questions

[ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ]

ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ Coptic Advocate,

Take a look at the following facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/

Heshmat Marzouk and George Sedhom had already translated a lot of the most commonly used Egyptian proverbs. For example:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5309220999199524/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5305461756242115/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5297759457012345/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5292592894195668/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5289881211133503/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/5097321840389442/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/752794721508864/posts/4513458015442497/
...
And many more.

Skim through the old posts and photos, and you will find more proverbs already translated to Coptic. We probably need to collect and post them in a single place, maybe on the Coptic Wikipedia incubator project?

ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ,
ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ

[Coptic Advocate 3]

ϯϣⲉⲡ̀ϩⲙⲟⲧ  ̀ⲛⲧⲟⲧⲕ ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ
This facebook group is really good, thank you for showing me
I'll definitely find a lot of the Arabic phrases that I've been looking for there.

[ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ]

ⲙ̀ⲙⲟⲛ ϩ̀ⲗⲓ.

By the way, George Sedhom has a complete Coptic course on Youtube. In case you're interested, you can find it here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXmLW5uUnh2PP3f_NaqxF6VebB69sRjXR

ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ ⲡϭⲟⲓⲥ,
ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ

[ophadece]

Ⲛⲁⲙⲉⲛⲣⲓϯ @coptic_advocate_3 ⲛⲉⲙ @ⲡⲓⲙⲟⲩⲓ,
I would be very cautious trusting in those Facebook groups.. I know such people personally and while I can trust Mr George Sedhom 50% of the time (or perhaps a bit more) I do not trust Mr Heshmat Rezkallah one iota.. He makes everything up without any sources or even commonsense.. I am so sorry - no offence intended, but if you don't speak Arabic fluently you may not easily understand what I mean.. Please be very careful..
Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ ⲡϭⲥ

[bashandy]

I agree with ophadece on that matter (100%). Since, the mid 19th century's attempt to revive Coptic language, there have been a lot of uninformed and misinformed articles, and books overstating the influence of Coptic on Egyptian Arabic. At its peak, some claimed that there are 10,000 Coptic words that survived in Egyptian Arabic. I would not mention names in public to avoid defamation.

Also, there have been attempts to translate Egyptian Arabic proverbs to Coptic with subsequent backdating of proverbs as well as providing false etymologies.
The net result is a lot of false etymology, confusion and misinformation. This really does not help any learner and does not reflect well on the status of Coptic teachers.
For Egyptian Arabic words of Coptic etymology I would highly recommend:‘The phonetics and phonology of the Bohairic dialect of Coptic and the survival of Coptic words in the colloquial and Classical Arabic of Egypt and of Coptic grammatical constructions in colloquial Egyptian Arabic’. Dr Emile Maher Ishak (PhD thesis)
Bishai, Wilson B (1960). Notes on the Coptic substratum in Egyptian Arabic. Journal of the American Oriental Society 80(3):225-229.
Bishai, Wilson B (1961). Nature and extent of Coptic phonological influence on Egyptian Arabic. Journal of Semitic Studies 6(2):175-182.

Bishai, Wilson B (1964). Coptic lexical influence on Egyptian Arabic. Journal of Near Eastern Studies 23(1):39-47.
This is a link that provides these sources
https://copticsounds.wordpress.com/resources/

[ophadece]

Ⲡⲁⲥⲁϧ ⲙ̀ⲙⲉⲛⲣⲓⲧ Ⲡⲉϣⲉⲛϯ,
Thank you very much for backing me up.. That is an honour..
Ⲟⲩϫⲁⲓ ϧⲉⲛ ⲡϭⲥ

[bashandy]

You're welcome. It is important to clarify that there is a difference between an academic work in peer reviewed journals and PhD thesis etc on one hand, and on the other hand, social media opinions. A case in point is the Old Bohairic pronunciation, which has been attested by hundreds of references and PhD thesis in Oxford, that is being disputed without even reading the evidence.