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29 September , 2026, 02:18:10 PM
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ϫⲓ ⲛϫⲛⲁϩ - take by forearm
« on: 29 September , 2026, 02:18:10 PM »
In ancient hieroglyphs, such as

"In the famous Old Kingdom relief scene from the Mastaba of Khafkhufu I (G 7140) at Giza, his wife Nefertkau II is depicted standing closely behind him in a classic posture of ancient Egyptian affection"

the wife is holding the husband by the forearm.
This must be some ancient Egyptian custom, and I can find a few hieroglyphs but not many.
Could someone help elucidate the meaning of this?

https://journals.ekb.eg/article_419165_a588b1ffa3e7b2dbf4f09db80897c6bb.pdf

https://giza.fas.harvard.edu/photos/53388/full/

or

https://giza.fas.harvard.edu/sites/1521/full/ picture #84

"Take by violence" is a meaning assigned by Crum, but he refers to Bohairic  ϭⲓ ⲛϫⲟⲛⲥ or ϫⲓ ⲛϭⲟⲛⲥ.
Perhaps this composite verb can also mean both?

Yesterday at 12:08:51 PM
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Re: ϫⲓ ⲛϫⲛⲁϩ - take by forearm
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 12:08:51 PM »
You are right ϭⲓ ⲛ̀ϫⲟⲛⲥ use violence, do evil, is formed of ϭⲓ take and ϫⲟⲛⲥ violence
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Re: ϫⲓ ⲛϫⲛⲁϩ - take by forearm
« Reply #2 on: Today at 01:06:56 AM »
Thank you.
Is there an Egyptian custom to grab or hold someone by the arm? The upper arm even, not the lower. TLA and the Demotic definitions point to the former and not the latter, it turns out

I'm thinking of something like holding hands, which for us nowadays is a sign of connection, linking. Looking at the hieroglyphs, holding someone by the arm also is a sign of being connected

The Bohairic ϫⲟⲛⲥ equates to the Sahidic ϭⲟⲛⲥ, and Sahidic ϫⲛⲁϩ equates to Bohairic ϭⲛⲁϩ, but these two are very different words. It is true that Genesis 33:11 in Sahidic and Bohairic has both these words, but that simply looks like a mistake, especially when we consider the Hebrew: to urge, to imply, are the words. The Greek is very different and in this case similar to using force, yes

Sorry for rambling on!

In short, is there an Egyptian custom where you lay your hand on someone's arm as a sign of urging him or her on, or merely as a sign of affection or belonging, such as holding hands would express?


 

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