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27 August , 2011, 10:19:38 pm
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #15 on: 27 August , 2011, 10:19:38 pm »
when I said "I believe what he says is correct" I was refering to what kamal farid said
i.e. its better to use ⲡⲥⲛⲁⲩ but using ⲥⲛⲁⲩ alone is also ok
accroding to Fr. Sehnouda u can use ⲥⲛⲁⲩ as in
ⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲣⲟⲥ ⲙⲫⲣⲏϯ ⲉⲧⲁⲕⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲡⲓϯⲟⲩ ⲛⲱⲓⲕ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲓⲧⲉⲃⲧ ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
this line is part of prayer wrote by Fr. Shenouda
but if Fr. Shednoua of Kamal farid said that this structure is correct does it mean its correct?
No, u need to review original coptic text
so am I sure? no, I am not

28 August , 2011, 05:49:48 pm
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #16 on: 28 August , 2011, 05:49:48 pm »
when I said "I believe what he says is correct" I was refering to what kamal farid said
i.e. its better to use ⲡⲥⲛⲁⲩ but using ⲥⲛⲁⲩ alone is also ok
accroding to Fr. Sehnouda u can use ⲥⲛⲁⲩ as in
ⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲣⲟⲥ ⲙⲫⲣⲏϯ ⲉⲧⲁⲕⲥⲙⲟⲩ ⲉⲡⲓϯⲟⲩ ⲛⲱⲓⲕ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲓⲧⲉⲃⲧ ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
this line is part of prayer wrote by Fr. Shenouda
but if Fr. Shednoua of Kamal farid said that this structure is correct does it mean its correct?
No, u need to review original coptic text
so am I sure? no, I am not
the example you quoted from Fr. Shnoda
is about something else
صيغة المثنى القبطية
that is when refering to two of anything
you just add cnau at end of them and keeping
definite article "pi"
but we disccuss on a defernt issue
also,i agree with you that we should not rely on coptic teachers rather than a text that do exist
but from my point of view his opinion should be respected
as being a coptic teacher for many decade
so forget about Ph.D...
you may kenw why he had not that dgree yet ;)
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29 August , 2011, 12:09:21 am
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #17 on: 29 August , 2011, 12:09:21 am »
You are indeed right, the text is quoted is different in meaning that ophadece's statment
thanks for pointing out

29 August , 2011, 01:06:02 am
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #18 on: 29 August , 2011, 01:06:02 am »
what about
........ `ϣⲗⲏⲗ ⲉⲑⲃⲏⲧⲉⲛ  ⲁⲛⲟⲛ  ⲡⲓ`ⲥⲛⲁⲩ 

29 August , 2011, 01:15:08 am
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #19 on: 29 August , 2011, 01:15:08 am »
what about
........ `ϣⲗⲏⲗ ⲉⲑⲃⲏⲧⲉⲛ  ⲁⲛⲟⲛ  ⲡⲓ`ⲥⲛⲁⲩ 
كقاعدة لا يمكنا تأليف قواعد للقبطي
من ناحية اخرى يجب ان تكون اللغة مرنة
لاحظ ان الكثير من الكلام العامي وتركيب الجمل بيكون قبطي
زي مثلا عبارة
"هو مجدي فين؟"
نجد ان كلمة هو ليس لها معنى اطلاقا من ناحية اللغة العربية
لكن من ناحية القبطي فكلمة انتوف =هو تعني الاستدارك
فالعبارة

`n;of magdi `n;wn?

صحيحة تماما
قياسا على هذا
 يمكن ان عبارة
صلو من اجلنا احنا الاتنين
انها تكون صحيحة ويكون اصلها قبطي حيث لا معنى لها بالعربية
لكن كما اسلفت وقلت برضه لازم نعتمد على نص مكتوب افضل
تحياتي
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ⲟⲩⲟϩ `ⲙⲙⲟⲛ ⲗⲁⲟⲩⲥ ⲁϭⲛⲉ ⲁⲥⲡⲓ

29 August , 2011, 05:50:36 pm
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Re: meaning of ⲥⲛⲁⲩ
« Reply #20 on: 29 August , 2011, 05:50:36 pm »
Done on the advice of Mr. Minamina
Oujai qen `P[C
Ⲁⲣⲓϩ̀ⲙⲟⲧ ϣ̀ⲗⲏⲗ ⲉϩⲣⲏⲓ ⲉϫⲱⲛ ⲡⲓⲥⲛⲁⲩ